Wednesday, January 5, 2011

The Alan Migration

In the comments section of the last post, Ricardo Costa de Oliveira alerts us to the possibility of a marker for the Alan migration from the Caucasus to the Iberian peninsula.

Ricardo points out that a specific J1b modal appears in two Iranians, as sited in the recent paper:

Influences of history, geography, and religion on genetic structure:  the Marionites in Lebanon
Haber at al
(Figures and Tables)
Supplementary Tables:
    (Lebanon by region, religion and sect)
    (Iran by region)
Ricardo observes that two western Iranians, I171 and I174, bear the same model haplotype as some people from the Azores, Portugal and Brazil.  Additionally, J1 haplotypes in the Iran table seem to be very diverse, confirming the results of Chiaroni et al indicating a Southeastern Turkey-Zagros Mountain origin of the J1 Haplogroup.

Given the documented westward migration of the Alans, it would not be out of the realm of possibility that this particular J1b haplotype marks that migration.

Research on Ossetians does not yet indicate this haplotype.  It may have been lost in the centuries between the time of the Alan migrations westward and today.

In order to narrow in on which migration may have spread western Iranian haplotypes to the Iberian peninsula, it would be important to create a picture of Ossetian and western Iranian haplotypes to have reached western Europe and beyond.


  1. Hello

    J1b M365 was found in Georgia: Origin, Diffusion, and Differentiation of Y-Chromosome Haplogroups E and J: Inferences on the Neolithization of Europe and Later Migratory Events in the Mediterranean Area
    Ornella Semino et al. 2004

    Georgia is a very small country and South Ossetia is located in the North-central part of that country. There's not a good study about Georgian and Ossetian haplogroups/haplotypes.
    As January of 2011 no J1b has been found in the big Armenian FTDNA Project, as no J1b was found in any Assyrian or Kurd group. A Turkish Zazaki (another Iranian Eastern Anatolian language) was found to be a J1b.
    So J1b is a basal clade or an outgroup of the J1 haplogroup, J1b is found only in the Northern Iranian-Caspian region, in Eastern Anatolia and in Georgia. Probably, Brazil is today the largest home in the world of J1b, a small group with a very curious history.



  2. Nice work Ricardo.

    It will be interesting to see how this develops.

  3. Ricardo,

    I trust that you're in communication with ISOGG.

    Here's the J1 tree, with J1b M365 at the top:

  4. Thanks Marnie
    Another connection J1b M365 is showing is the linguistic connection between the old Iranian languages, Zazaki and the Caspian languages: Gilaki and Mazandarani. The Northeastern and Northwestern Iranian languages had the same root.

    Another situation, different haplogroups, but the same spirit:
    We will go home across the mountains

    Keep the good working
    All the Best


  5. Thanks Ricardo for the links. Enjoyed them.
    I'm adding your blog to my "permanent sites" list.

    Please keep up updated.

    Warmest wishes,



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